tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post4133973829232498870..comments2023-09-28T05:56:51.582-04:00Comments on Titanic Deck Chairs: ARCTV - Ridpath on Patrick HenryC. Augusthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05860759500684485756noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-86369482900314738842018-07-14T02:25:30.936-04:002018-07-14T02:25:30.936-04:00It feels good to feature much enlightening and uni...It feels good to feature much enlightening and unique articles on your websites.<br /><a href="http://www.essexsymphony.org/plastic-chairs-type-cr-plastic-product-popular/" title="crp plastics" rel="nofollow">crp plastics</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12480793315998590890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-13501684353552535862009-07-14T12:10:11.721-04:002009-07-14T12:10:11.721-04:00FYI, I've enjoyed this discussion so far, and ...FYI, I've enjoyed this discussion so far, and have posted most of it to a new entry because I think it's valuable. If we continue our debate, I think we should move it over to the new post.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.titanicdeckchairs.com/2009/07/debates-on-founding-era.html" rel="nofollow">Debates on the Founding Era</a>C. Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05860759500684485756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-11072911360059520412009-07-14T11:14:39.444-04:002009-07-14T11:14:39.444-04:00I understand what you're saying, and you make ...I understand what you're saying, and you make good points about the conflicting pressures the founders had to address. I'd also add the concern they had in looking at how the ancients fared in creating their governments: they did not want to repeat the mistakes of the Greek city states, or of the Roman republic. And, they were concerned with the very real threat from Europe.<br /><br />C. Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05860759500684485756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-31130088072083563842009-07-14T10:17:05.718-04:002009-07-14T10:17:05.718-04:00Your entire argument rests on the notion that the ...Your entire argument rests on the notion that the founders had nothing but good intentions and the only reason they didn't explicitly define and protect individual rights in the constitution is that they didn't understand objectivist philosophy and its ramifications.<br /><br />To me, that argument is clearly false. Obviously they hadn't discovered Objectivism (I wish they had) but Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06992382782551700930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-49792800794176278282009-07-14T06:38:57.535-04:002009-07-14T06:38:57.535-04:00I already stated that your view "ignores the ...I already stated that your view "ignores the facts of reality and the state of knowledge of the foundation and source of individual rights that the Founders had," and then supported it with facts, many comments ago.<br /><br />Then you came back with the claim that, essentially, there was a [secret plan? conspiracy?] of the rich who "allowed," patronizingly, Jefferson to pen C. Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05860759500684485756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-13516310335526702072009-07-14T00:00:14.863-04:002009-07-14T00:00:14.863-04:00I don't think it's a very honest debate ta...I don't think it's a very honest debate tactic to simply label an argument a "conspiracy theory" to try and debunk it entirely without addressing any of its points.<br /><br />Read some history from the perspective of the Anti-Federalists.<br /><br />Also, try to find a single clause in the constitution that ensures individual rights. (not including the bill of rights, which I&#Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06992382782551700930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-723589160204511712009-07-13T13:38:40.796-04:002009-07-13T13:38:40.796-04:00Uttles, I'm not sure quite how to respond to y...Uttles, I'm not sure quite how to respond to your points. In essence, I think you are swaying too close to a conspiracy theory view of what happened that, as I said earlier, misses the historical and philosophical context. <br /><br />You point to "monied interests" and say that the Constitution "was created to erode" individual rights. Really? It was designed to C. Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05860759500684485756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-52962176190262616862009-07-11T13:28:57.646-04:002009-07-11T13:28:57.646-04:00"Harold: Did you find it depressing in contra...<i>"Harold: Did you find it depressing in contrast to what it could have been, and to the greatness of Henry and the founders? I suppose I can see that, as it certainly made me mourn, in a way, what might have been."</i><br><br>Yes, that was my impression. Look at what was and now look at what is. It's almost comical.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897769844874861468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-78566204412276480672009-07-11T00:00:57.348-04:002009-07-11T00:00:57.348-04:00To see what I'm talking about in all of its ob...To see what I'm talking about in all of its obvious glory, just look at these two intros:<br /><br />"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06992382782551700930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-8935269802873702832009-07-11T00:00:43.803-04:002009-07-11T00:00:43.803-04:00First off, let me say that I do not have the time ...First off, let me say that I do not have the time to study this enough to be considered an expert, but about 6 months ago I did read the Federalist Papers, the Anti-Federalist Papers, and Son of Thunder (about Patrick Henry - my favorite anti-federalist.) It was at that time that I drew my conclusions about the Constitution.<br /><br />Having said that:<br />"You can't on one hand laud Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06992382782551700930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-30977854040964921402009-07-10T17:16:18.335-04:002009-07-10T17:16:18.335-04:00To my knowledge, Patrick Henry has never appeared ...To my knowledge, Patrick Henry has never appeared in Amercian historical fiction (except, perhaps, as a mere propagandist, so characterized by left-wing novelists) as the giant he was. I corrected that omission in Sparrowhawk: Book Four - Empire, in which he introduces his Stamp Act Resolves in the Virginia House of Burgesses in May 1765. In the relevant chapters, he opposes the arch-conservativeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-26811098467018729012009-07-10T13:11:21.683-04:002009-07-10T13:11:21.683-04:00Brian: thanks for the suggestion. I'll look i...Brian: thanks for the suggestion. I'll look it up.<br /><br />Harold: Did you find it depressing in contrast to what it could have been, and to the greatness of Henry and the founders? I suppose I can see that, as it certainly made me mourn, in a way, what might have been. But it was inspirational because it also shows what <i>could be</i>, which is one of the main things I took away fromC. Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05860759500684485756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-52452986718013078252009-07-09T21:12:21.128-04:002009-07-09T21:12:21.128-04:00"This video by Dr. Ridpath is incredibly movi...<i>"This video by Dr. Ridpath is incredibly moving. He gets choked up speaking about the greatness of the man, and I got choked up watching it."</i><br><br>Lol, I saw it as depressing though I enjoyed the speech. Patrick Henry was certainly a hero, but look at our government today.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10897769844874861468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-90812149552797924192009-07-09T17:28:02.295-04:002009-07-09T17:28:02.295-04:00Get this book, yesterday: http://www.amazon.com/So...Get this book, yesterday: http://www.amazon.com/Son-Thunder-Patrick-American-Republic/dp/0802138152<br /><br />Patrick Henry is my hero. I watched this speech and I don't think it did Henry justice. Yes, it did tell about a lot of the great things he did, but it didn't focus on the great things he's not recognized for. The passage of the Bill of Rights is wholly due to Henry, this is Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06992382782551700930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1579705626818354150.post-9486225861501804252009-07-09T15:20:45.945-04:002009-07-09T15:20:45.945-04:00If you are interested in Economics, I highly recom...If you are interested in Economics, I highly recommend John Ridpath's talk on Say's Law. I think it is available from the Ayn Rand Bookstore.Brian Frittsnoreply@blogger.com